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Mar 31, 2024
6/5/24, 5:29 PM
Personally I'm for Remy finding the batteries.
Jun 5, 2024
Anon
6/5/24, 1:45 PM
My word, talk about a bait and switch! In the good way of course. Seeing Gil decide to get everybody converted was a bit out of left field, but rereading the chapter it makes total sense. He sees over and over the easterners want to be with their family, and getting them to go to the east will likely just bring misery upon all of them. In that sense, why bother leaving? Yet I absolutely find it fascinating how it was only when Gil decided to join them did he succumb- he didn't just do it because he was seduced this time, it's because he wanted to. I'm not sure if that makes that better or worse- objectively speaking. His conversations with each of his brothers also highlights that despite the transformations, they do care for each other. Rafael bluntly stating that he'd rather not have to brainwash Gil cyclically, the fact that Pete makes it clear Gil was never inferior, Rudolf's grief at nearly losing Gil (and his conflicted emotions regarding Ruby), and Henrich's feelings himself all showcase this. I particularly like how you showed us some other easterner characters as well in the midst- the scene of the blacksmith giving gil's sword away was touching as it was tragic- and probably one of the many scenes that caused Gil to question weather leaving was a good idea. The lament of the older eastern man and Grey's turning were also tragic moments- Grey's final thoughts before being turned are haunting. Then again, everybody is happier at the end- so there will be no more separation. And now we come to Ruby. Poor, poor Ruby. In a world where somehow everybody winds up getting convinced by erotic logic, she's probably the only person with a realistic approach to this situation- and how things are is likely her worst nightmare. Her lover is lost to her, the heir to the lord she faithfully served has betrayed everything he stood for, all the people she wanted to save are gone, the eastern army that came in to fight the wolves is likely either converted or dead (I really hope Daniel didn't wind up dead- it's clear he seems to care for Gil to some extent- and the eastern army must have been horrified at what they faced- Gil and the others are jovial about their victory- but it was likely either conversion or slaughter out of a horror film), and she's now the only human left in the country. Of course logically she probably just wants to have death come upon her- she really has nothing left to live for now. I just hope she finds some peace in her life- otherwise she might wind up facing the fate of Alicent Hightower- who through her decisions in trying to save her family while being a pawn in a much larger game of politics (though she herself made quite a few mistakes), doomed it to the grave and she wound outliving all of it's members- her final years had her not wanting to wear the color green which she had chosen to define herself as for most of her life, and began weeping hysterically and talking to herself. She wound up dying of a bout of winter fever- and I can't lie, as tragic as it is- I fear something might wind up happening to Ruby like that with how she is now. I really hope not though- she deserves some solace, but I feel that at this point she might not feel worthy to have it. I think ultimately however, Rudolf recognizes this- and that's why he's gentle with her despite his anger at her for taking Gil away- it was hard enough for Gil as is- but for Ruby this is a completely different level of dilemmas, and he knows that she only ever did what she did not out of a desire to hurt Gil intentionally. If Rudolf and Ruby's relationship continues, it would need to start with them re-establishing trust with each other after everything that has happened. Otherwise, she will likely become a ghost of what things could have been- and I won't lie- that is a cruel fate for her. Still though, if the plan is for the wolves to slowly infiltrate the east- this opens up some troubling questions- by knightly duties are the folk on the western border of the eastern kingdom possibly in on this stealth plan? Why aren't we seeing a two pronged war going on? Surely this horrific defeat by the knights would have been seen as a major alarm point by the time of knightly duties- or is it that much like how Daniel speaks- the order is stretched too thin? Were they written off and the knowledge of the defeat hidden- like with Collin's fake death? Was an accord of some form reached? I do hope that even if Gil and the others aren't main characters, we do see or hear from them again. However, I do feel like I would have been intrigued to see Gil actually escape, realize that because the easterners and him are too western they won't ever be accepted, and then consciously decide to go back east. Basically, succeed to escape, but go back anyway. Though in context, we do see this happen, just the leaving in full never happens. I guess I really just wanted to see how eastern society would have reacted to these people of their blood who are so clearly western. The idea of the blacksmith sorrowfully becoming great at his craft but alone in the east missing his family, or Henrich and his sons grieving, or Ruby and Gil grieving for their losses would have made for an interestingly dismal story. But, this is your story, and you may do with it as you please, and you do to some extent explore this idea already regardless.
Pcm
6/5/24, 2:49 PM
@[Anon](/user/show/10049352) Thank you for staying right until the end! Ultimately, I always wanted Gil to give in voluntarily, his corrupt a result of his own choice. His brothers all had a chance to fully corrupt him, but backed at last moment. Gil was permited, with their blessing, to make the "good" choice and leave. However, Gil does not want that, his loyalty is stronger than his moral compass. Other than Ruby, the other easterners serve as his echo chamber. Ultimately, Gil chooses love over morality, for himself (and other Eastetners), and hus selfishness rewards him with immeasurable pleasure. It is what I the most erotic and "heartwarming" ending I could think of. Going to the East and being rejected would have undermined somewhat of Gil's decision, I think. In the end, Gil returned to his family purely because he loved them, making him leave after arriving at the East because he was unwelcomed would dilute his motive in my opinion. It is a good idea and I would not object to others (or my future self) making an alternative non-canon endings. I want to return to Kinghtly Duties for now, though. Kinda felt bad for Johny as he was left from your comment though. 😀 Without delving into extra world building, I will say that the East has to begrudgingly accept the West as its own nation. Considering the overwhelming amount of rhe West capable fighting men (every one of them) and that one of the most elite armies in the east's arsenal has been wiped out, the East has no way to combat the West at tge moment. An uneasy truce was formed that soon developed into general political apathy; the West has not attacked them or anything...yet. It is funny that you mentioned asoiaf character. The story was roughly inspired by the relationship between Jon and Robb. Whether the knights are killed or converted will be left ambiguous. Daniel's fate is a spoiler, however. Finally, Ruby's ending is intentionally left open-ended. (I was actually much harsher to her in the first draft.) She could be trapped forever, come around eventually and have a "happy ending" with Rudolf, get turned by Gil, escape to the East, or anywhere in between.
Anon
6/5/24, 3:58 PM
@[Pcm](/user/show/10039396) I would actually argue that to some extent, this tactically might have been the best choice for them. If the wolfman outbreaks spread, hostility toward anything western in the east would go out of control. Gil and those with him would likely be subject to suspicion, persecution and possibly even made victim to inquisitions on the suspicion that they are "tainted" or too western (at worst, this could devolve into ethnic violence, pogroms, expulsion and violence). The fact that the wolfmen's plan is to infiltrate the east would only worsen matters. So as much as it is gil succumbing, it's....arguably the most tactical decision. Even if they were able to carve a life out for themselves in the west, suspicion would likely grow too much against them- they would likely be barred from holding buisnesses, amassing wealth, having any place for themselves- it's likely they would be treated as second class citizens akin to the internment of Japanese-Americans in the second world war in america. As much as Gil and Ruby are seasoned knights and have allies in the form of Daniel- they would likely be going up against the entire religious orthodoxy and more conservative eastern political factions. It'd be a mess, and would likely cause them to have a very dreadful life. Johnny I think is a strange mixture of innocence and ferality. He himself says it to Gil- he isn't just the innocent little brother or a horrifying beast- he is both. I think in regards to Gil coming back- I'd argue it's because he would remember his family's love- there'd likely be many issues of discrimination and distrust that would sour him to the east- and maybe even make Ruby re-evaluate her decision- questioning how the east truly represents compassion if this is all they seem capable of- and maybe not agreeing with the primal beast in full- still distrusting it- but knowing that the east doesn't seem to be the solution. I'd argue this wouldn't dilute the story, but lay bare the many complicated realities we see in the west-east dynamic. Your mention of the idea that they remained human and stayed in Wolfheim I think would be the most intriguing- because I think that would force Henrich and the others to counter the fact that they may be lesser in feats of strength or nature- but they are still theirs- and likely realize they need to combat growing anti-human sentiment amongst the westerners- combined with anti-eastern sentiment of the ducal houses. It would likely lead to Gil essentially becoming a leader of his people alongside Ruby trying to make things work amidst increasing discrimination and possibly even dehumanization for being of a "lesser" race- or even prey- which would likely start making Henrich and his son's start realizing that their newfound bodies and powers might have come at a cost- the other ducal houses would likely scorn Gil and his people- and it would probably start turning into Gil and his folk wanting to be seen, but having nowhere to go- the east will not take them, the west will not either- while Henrich and his sons start realizing just how dark at times things are for Gil and his folk. Such a work would likely go through themes of discrimination, ethnic violence and love. Worse, Gil might find himself a victim to target by the other ducal houses- to the horror of his brothers and father. As for Ruby, I think that the only way she would be convinced is if she realized that those she tried to save would be treated harshly in the east- which is completely possible and likely realistic- that while being supposedly compassionate, they barely would be to those escaping danger. Only then I think would she and Rudolf be able to reconcile. Otherwise she would likely remain obstinate and remain as she is likely until she died- making her a regretful ghost for Rudolf for what could have been. But I really don't want that for Rudolf, nor her. Neither of them are the enemy- they are merely doing what they think is right- though in the wolfmen's case, they do seem to know that transforming can be traumatic at first- the transformed father speaking to his son highlight this. I think that Ruby needs to realize that the man she loved is still there- different, but there. If she can't do that, then there is no hope for any reconciliation. Speaking to the other easterners likely could help...or make things worse. But I don't think Ruby is stupid- if she truly has her belief that escaping to the east would have been better deconstructed- she'd likely be more amenable to other means. I do hope she at least gets a mention in the epilogue as to what her fate was, but if her fate is to be open-ended, perhaps that is a gift in itself too.
Pcm
6/5/24, 4:37 PM
@Anon Yes, beside that, if Gil did not turn, Wolfheim would have likely been wiped out as well. One more reason for Gil to return in that hypothetical. You are right ; this is likely the happiest outcome for Gil and the Easterners, being assimilated like they have always wanted. I suppose that I just want Gil to be happy and carefree, where he can fully enjoy his adopted family's noble privilege. I agree that if this were just a fantasy story and not an erotic one, I would go with the human route. It has a better thematic and more moral ring to it. As an erotica and a tool for gratification, Gil's happiness is not guaranteed in that ending. Aain, I live the ideas and might explore them some other time. As for Ruby, in my headcanon, she was eventually transformed by Gil and would later happily have a twin sons with Rudolf. The epilogue is actually done, and I decided to keep Ruby's fate out of it still. This way, everyone could imagine whatever fate they would want for her.
Anon
6/5/24, 5:10 PM
@[Pcm](/user/show/10039396) More or less, Wolfheim likely would have wound up getting sacked. If Gil is still alive, there is the fact that the changes can't take full hold on all the west, and even if the ducal houses wound up turned- I think a lot of people probably would have been able to flee in that case- I wouldn't even blame them if they did that- this chapter makes it clear even the wolfmen know the initial stages of changing are rather terrifying, but they do believe the ensuing pleasure is worth the cost (which ties back to the ethical dilemma issue). Even if they treat Gil somewhat okay, I really feel distrust and prejudice would have followed him and the other refugees everywhere and just made life really miserable for them in general. He'd likely live a really bitter, tragic life in that possibility. I think the human route actually could be played for erotic points too if one goes the teratophilia route and the size difference dynamic- I think Gil's happiness could be reached there- but it would require the shifted to realize that being human might be weaker than a wolfman, but it doesn't make them weak in and of themselves, and that human or not- they are still theirs- they cannot simply abandon them. It would be a longer, more difficult road- with many shifted possibly gaining anti-human sentiments (those with human relatives likely would not adopt this, like Henrich and his son's- those who intermarried and know those of the easterners etc.) but perhaps all the more worth it. Could you imagine Gil as a human having earned the respect of the ducal houses as a human because he fought that much stronger and harder to make up for the strength difference, and essentially not being questioned as to who his family is because of it? It's not like he can't do it- the man is trained to fight demons- and so is Ruby to some extent. It'd be to some extent awe inspiring. The idea of a smaller human Gil being loved by his much larger wolven brothers also carries to some extent it's own appeal- as a sign to tell those that dismiss Gil for being human to back off or they will be dealing with them all. They could even wind up as a kind of scouting force for the shifted westerners- being able to be the stealth and cunning they need in their forces if brute force isn't enough. I think in this one, Gil would have to fight for respect, but he would likely be able to gain it- it would just be a much longer road. Where Ruby would fall in that possibility of events would also be interesting. As for Ruby, I like your head canon for it- and I do think that such would occur as Gil and Ruby wind up speaking to each other in her hostage situation. I think if Ruby was forced to face the fact that the east would never be compassionate to them, that in truth they would have never honored the ideals duke aigles fought for, I think she wouldn't just try to deny it. She'd probably ask to be with Rudolf too- but that would take a longer road of learning to trust each other again and getting used to the newer situation.
Feb 3, 2022
6/5/24, 4:47 PM
That is very hot, I would love a Part 2!
Jun 5, 2024
6/5/24, 4:26 PM
Wow!
Jun 2, 2024
weeeley
6/5/24, 4:13 PM
Based on your previous works you prolly will turn this into a very dark development on the next chapter. Not that I'm against it, but wouldn't it be fresh for u to brighten it up a bit towards the ending? ;) Nevertheless, hot piece.
Dec 17, 2023
6/5/24, 4:06 PM
I would love to see what happens next!!! Very Hot!
May 31, 2024
5/31/24, 5:44 PM
I'm going to preface this comment by saying that the writing is AMAZING. You're a fantastic author and have immense skill in characterization, scene-setting, and general ability. So nothing about this is personal! :) All that said...welp, it's official. You've written one of the WORST characters I have ever read on this site, and that's saying something! :p But seriously, you've crafted a perfectly detestable villain in Brian. As I said in my comment on the last chapter, he has no excuse for himself--no parental upbringing, no traumatic event in his childhood, no history of powerlessness that makes him seek power. He just genuinely believes that he, as an "alpha," deserves to be on top, and everyone else needs to be beneath him. You brilliantly capture that at the chapter's end--he has a room full of people who will literally do *anything* for him (nice job on calling them "toys!"), and yet the idea that there are three people who won't is enough to make him furious and ruin his fun. It's not enough to have 99.99% of the world in his hand--the notion that a single .01% exists that isn't his is an offense. Having him outright state that he views caring, empathy, and compassion as weaknesses makes him a clear-cut sociopath--one who only cares about himself and experiences nothing for others. And I don't enjoy reading about characters like that. That leads me into my next point: sad to say that while I appreciated the chapter--and the story overall--I didn't *enjoy* it (I confess that I skimmed through most of the sex scenes because the humiliation made me deeply uncomfortable, and the plot elements--especially the set-up at the end of the chapter--also made me unhappy). Speaking frankly, I don't enjoy reading about smug, entitled pricks getting whatever they want; I see too much of that in everyday life. I'm glad that you left a few beacons (good pun!) of hope--perhaps the House will be able to communicate what happened to Tyler (since his initial wish is to "know what's going on"), and as @Drawningghle said, the phrasing of Riley's wish being "my master" suggests that if someone else wishes to take that role, they'll gain invulnerability. But if I may make predictions: I foresee Noah and Joe being tricked into Brian's trap via Riley's altered body, setting up a final confrontation between Tyler and Brian where the former has to make a tough choice (maybe wishing for Riley to become his own slave). I'm aware of my own tastes enough to know that the true disgust that Brian has created for me makes me unlikely to read the rest of the story, at least until I know there's a happy ending involved. It's a testament to just how good you are that you can keep us all hanging! Those are my thoughts, such as they are. Thank you for an excellent story and character study on sociopathy and selfishness. You're an amazing author, Naedre, and you've captivated a lot of people on this site in a way I haven't seen in a long time. Congratulations to you! Even if I don't end up finishing the story, you've made a lot of people happy, gotten a lot of people talking, and sparked a lot of conversations. And I think that that's what the best stories do! :)
6/1/24, 2:40 AM
@[Feed Your Head](/user/show/1170832) Thank you for the comments. I think you reflect lots of people's feelings about Brian. And then there are people who are on the other side who love how awful he is. I think he is the most human of all my villains. He isn't a demon or an ancient wizard or an enigmatic doctor (~~muahahahaha~~!). He is just a guy. A narcissistic sociopath. But just a guy who stumbled into unimaginable power. I'm glad that is coming across. If you (++or anyone++) want spoilers for the ending, you can message me on the GSS chat in the forums. I usually respond within a day. The outline for this story is done. I'm 3000 words into last chapter (chapter 12, unless it ends up being too long and I split out an epilogue). I've already spoiled people who have asked. Hope everyone enjoys the rest of the way.
6/2/24, 1:31 AM
@[Feed Your Head](/user/show/1170832) You voice out what im thinking while reading this chapter. Naedre's writing is on a higher level. The characters are well written that you could love the protagonist and detest/hate the antagonist. And the scenes are coming out hot even though it is coming from the pov of someone like Brian. Im thankful that theres authors note at the beginning so that i could prepare myself on whats gonna happen on the chapter. I might stick around though and see where this would go. But im still hoping for Brians downfall.
6/5/24, 3:59 PM
@[Feed Your Head](/user/show/1170832) I absolutely agree with you. Brian is detestable and I do hope he gets a deserving downfall.
Jun 5, 2024
6/5/24, 1:41 PM
Come for the wolfmen muscle growth, stay for the touching story of alienation, the harms of nationalism and racial purity, found family, and familial love (some of which is incest). The themes of the story were really well executed in this chapter; you should be proud. While I have mixed feelings about the ending and how i feel it kind of undercuts the themes i mentioned above, the first two thirds are so well written and moving that it doesn't really matter. Great job.
Pcm
6/5/24, 2:02 PM
@[BlindSeer0](/user/show/381024) Thank you for following the story until the end! I actually have different endings considered. A less erotic one would be Gil and the others remaining humans and somehow make it work in Wolfheim. The other is where they became eagle monsters, which makes a little different thematic difference from this one? But from the start, I never planned on separating Gil from his family, and I also never planned on an ending where Gil "wins" against the Primal Beast and frees his family either. The idea has always been for him to make the most "selfish" possible choice because that is kinda my kink. I think that, ultimately, this story is a wish fulfillment fantasy; sexual or otherwise, so I kinda gave Gil everything he has ever wanted (albeit in a corrupted way) in a way that could make people he cares about happy as well and I understand why the themes you mentioned being subverted does detract from your enjoyment, I am still glad you found the rest to be enjoyable! Thank you again!
6/5/24, 2:29 PM
@[Pcm](/user/show/10039396) Just to be clear, it was a good ending and did make sense for the characters and story you wrote, even if I'm not a huge fan of it. I definitely enjoyed him talking to and "defeating" each of his brothers. You nailed each of their personalities and gave them nuance, even though the curse (in-story) modifies and "flattens" their personalities. Those were all high lights. And the choice to go with the winged wolves was the correct one, i think.
Pcm
6/5/24, 2:53 PM
@[BlindSeer0](/user/show/381024) Well, I hope that you will stick around for the epilogue and Knightly Duties, if it interests you. The other series will be more focused on debauched hedonism, but the theme of family is still emphasized on
Jun 5, 2024
Anonymous
6/5/24, 2:31 PM
Terrific
Jun 5, 2024
6/5/24, 1:35 PM
that was a very fun ride thanks for sharing it
Pcm
6/5/24, 2:04 PM
@[darkblade2814](/user/show/243317) Thank you so much! I'm glad that you enjoyed the series!