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Anonymous
8/7/24, 9:10 AM
This whole story is AI junk with no substance
8/7/24, 7:49 AM
Really good
Anonymous
8/7/24, 7:11 AM
Didn’t even finish the first chapter. Obviously AI-generated. Not worth reading the rest of the story. Should label a story as AI in the tags or description and not try to deceive your readers and waste their time.
Anonymous
8/7/24, 7:08 AM
AI-generated tripe. Not worth writing, then not worth reading.
8/7/24, 7:05 AM
This is excellent and defo needs more
8/7/24, 3:25 AM
Awesome 1st chapter. Can't wait for more.
Lampshade15
8/6/24, 8:32 PM
Oh my god Edlam, another masterpiece!

8/7/24, 1:53 AM
@[Lampshade15](/user/show/277649) Edlam masterpieces, while wonderful, are the work of a different man, but I definitely benefit from the comparison, so thank you! :smiley:
8/7/24, 12:16 AM
I really like this chapter. Waiting for more chapters! Great work :D
Anon
8/6/24, 3:34 AM
When it comes to Collin, I think that he seems to have been far more in tune with the powers of the dawn than anybody else we've seen as of yet. Gil and House Aigles only served as seal-keepers (until that went and imploded- but like we discussed- Gil had good reasons to stay with the westerners- it's likely that if things had escalated, they'd either be killed by bigoted easterners or something else would go wrong), but Collin outright can heal in a way unlike anybody else. If he winds up being corrupted- I really don't want to think of what he might wind up getting twisted into, or the results of that for those in the kingdom in general. His talents are healing, compassion and the ability of logical analysis and persuasion- as per his discussions with Garret and the nearly transformed prince. If he became a demon- he'd practically become the best salesman around, while likely retaining his virtues in a more demonized manner. Or you know...he's too dawn oriented so the corruption process just kills him if things get depressing. We have Leon here outright thinking that turning people into demons will save them from further pain and hurt (a thing Garret mentioned one chapter ago in his story during his debate with Collin), and that clearly to serve the people is to give them endless pleasure- even if by force. However, I suspect that due to the grandmaster's leanings, and Collin's own convictions, he will not so easily despair. He may feel sad yes, and it will sting- but he will not give up so easily. If his now changed family thinks they can break him through despair I'm afraid they have another thing coming. Besides, doing so would only have Collin tread Gil's path- and unlike Gil- Collin is firm in his beliefs against the demons. He may understand why people may elect to be come them- like in his conversation with Garret- but by no means is he willing to support them in full. He's practically the only man with some sanity at this point to a degree. Based on what you've mentioned about eastern society, it seems that knights were often used and not appreciated for their services. The fact that they were forced to uphold chivalry even when it began to harm them (chivalry in itself isn't a bad thing unto itself- but I could see how if taken to an extreme, knights could wind up forced to follow oppressive lords or policies, with little voice to express concerns). It seems that some of them likely took to physical pleasures to chase the pain of duty away- Gregory makes mention of how he would seek out pleasure from sex workers back in chapter 2 I think, and we see Frederick lavish himself in wealth- though not cruelly- as if to say "I have something I can enjoy now after all my work". It seems that by making the knights feel undervalued, and the grandmaster likely making the order increasingly harsh and demanding to prevent corruption, he wound up dooming the people that were knights in many cases feel unappreciated, disposable, and bereft of happiness- making them easily susceptible to the demon's pleasures. The king's actions with his adultery that literally brought the west into the kingdom and secrecy over Collin don't help either- surely if this is a matter of national security- you wouldn't just potentially risk loose canons from Collin's loved ones who are also senior leaders in your military force! Obviously, not all the knights I think were so deprived of pleasure or hate their positions and beliefs- but I do think many of them have been mistreated by the establishment and nobility and seen as pawns- and that's about to blow up in their faces. I think that the knighthoods emphasis on resisting pleasure might have also in some cases escalated into an unhealthy denial of all pleasures, and that likely left people susceptible into excesses of it when they got it because they literally didn't learn how to moderate themselves. I would argue there's a twisted sort of love involved in wanting Collin to despair. They want to break him so that he doesn't continue to suffer in knighthood and then has no choice but to join them and be happy forever in their eyes. It's still horrifying, but there's a twisted sense in it, but it also shows just how far gone they've become. I think the transformation aspect is to erotic in a sense of the sense of freeing oneself from oppressive restrictions, but Collin's analysis is a sobering reminder of just how dark such liberation can become without being tempered. The fact that it has an element of despairing before transformation and the like also showcases how morally ambiguous and terrifying the whole process can be. And if we were to get into the emotional costs upon those who have loved ones who aren't transformed...well Collin last chapter being utterly horrified is pretty much a good example of that. I think after seeing what happened to Gregory and William- Collin knows the order is compromised. He knows that there's a very good chance many others have succumbed. He may be gentle, but he is firm in his loyalties. You put it yourself- he'd have to be literally worn down emotionally, physically and psychologically for the demons to even make a dent in him. And it's not like they can go get his lover- he's busy trapezing about in the west- I can only hope the beast tribes don't find him and try to do something to him. As for the prisoner- something is up with them. The mention of wolves clearly implies the beast tribes are involved, but exactly who that is is a mystery. I can't imagine that's Rudolf's girlfriend (she'd likely be either transformed or dead by now- and why would they even give her up- Rudolf would never do that- you yourself mentioned that she likely was brought into the western fold after many years.). I suspect that might be somebody who got unlucky and managed to get on the bad side of the westerners. As for the necromancer, he's ringing all sorts of alarm bells. That the grandmaster is desperate enough to go this clearly dangerous warlock is a bad sign- if things go really wrong- the grandmaster might wind up causing a zombie apocalypse at this rate. But what use does the grandmaster have for revival for dead people? Does he suspect the demons will hate undead flesh for the use of pleasure? He's up to something.... The fact that that he seems to imply that demonhood might have a genetic predisposition in his line "It is why the Holy Dawn cannot cure corruption that is innate to someone’s bloodline, because depriving someone of their identity is just inherently uncompassionate"- seems to imply like the beasts, the demons were mingling and making children of their own for their plots amongst humans- possibly. But going back to the demons- I wonder what Edric's wish was (that's a side note- but it seems that after the initial rush, they gain their sense back- though they are demons at that point). What I also find interesting is the color usage. I assume that the red and black dynamics of the demons derives from some of the popular depictions of the Christian satan- where one view seems him dominated in red and blacks, with hooves and horns. Of course, other depictions also exist- that of an adonis like in paradise lost, serpents, and the like. Aniconist views were more common in the near east with the muslims, which often focus more on his malevolence than how he looks- frankly put, in those since most argue he is of the jinns- so he could take on any appearance he so chooses- though popular tradition often argues he can't take on the appearance of holy figures- Yet, I find it fascinating how Gil and the easterners in the west kept their coloring, but the demons that have been made of the easterners here don't. That seems interesting. The demons then seem to be a particular species of unearthly creatures- and I would argue seem to be a more essentialized version of what I tend to call the seducing class of spirts- things like the lilim or the like. I think what's particularly terrifying is that the demons made Gregory to be a perfect individiual to bring easterners into the fold because he knows the drawbacks of the institutions and culture in areas- if you know the enemy, you will only show greater victory. As for Leon, if he was rewired to think his ejaculate and saliva aren't dirty, then it makes sense why he's drooling them out like everybody else that got demonized and isn't worried about it despite liking bathing. It's interesting how he still has kept knighthood going, but in a very...demonish way. If they literally find the smell of ejaculate and saliva sweet- that might explain a few things- though the mention of it being putrid in earlier chapters leads me to believe this is just mental shifts- it's likely that to a human- it smells not so sweet- maybe even foul. If Collin winds up shifting I legitimately think that the Dusk might wind up committing a full blown murder spree in the East- because Collin seems to be an heir to the Dawn's powers and ideals- even more than what Gil was. We know that Rudolf's lover mentioned that when the dawn sacrificed themself, it was to stop the dusk from literally murdering everyone in the west because they saw them as lost causes- doomed to be infected. If the east winds up fully demonized, I could see that same threat carried out in some capacity- even if limited. After all- the dawn isn't around anymore to temper the dusk. The dusk might be fading away, but I don't think they've become completely impotent. They can mess up the board a bit I think if they want to. In fact, them entering the picture as a wild card while everybody is freaking out over the demons and the beasts would be interesting, if it happens. I can't really buy that the dusk has been just seeing all this going on (and what happened 50 years ago with Gil in the west) and is just not doing anything about it. Fundamentally, this story has been about Collin as it has been about everyone else. And we've seen little to no indication that he's even susceptible to wanting to go back to his family as they are now. I don't think he's going to follow the path Gil does. He's going to do something completely different. Weather this keeps him alive or not...or as himself- well I can only hope it does. I've said it before- but for all that Collin is kinder than the grandmaster- he still is the grandmaster's apprentice. If push comes to shove, I don't think he's above sacrificing himself in the name of duty. Heck, the demons attempts to make him despair might wind up backfiring and causing that to happen- it would be a wonderfully tragic end and a subversion to the thing that made Gregory a demon- that he can have his pleasure and his family motivating him in his quest against the kingdom- only to have that reality taken away from him for good- but i suspect you won't be doing that. You have something else in store for him, and I am intrigued as to how his story shall go now.

Pcm
8/7/24, 12:02 AM
@Anon The fundamental difference between Gil and Collin is, I think, their upbringing. Despite the prejudice against him, Gil is a privileged son og a powerful noble lord, and except in rare cases, everyonr in Wolfheim gave him the respect and treated him as they would any other lord. The former Easterners in Wolfheim practically worshipped him even. Therefore, he would naturally be inclined to size with the institution that gave him that privilege in order to continue benefitting from that privilege, i.e. his family. While Gil is obviously not some Machiavellian bastard, it is blatant that he doesn't just love his family, he loves the idea of his family being in the position of power. (He literally talked about subjugating lesser nobles by marrying himself into their family.) While at first apprehensive, the Primal Beast promised just that: a chance for the Wolves to be more powerful than ever in both physical and political sense. Collin, on the other hand, has a much more servile role where he is a member of the lower class. His family are basically public servants who have been taught dogmatically that their lives should be devoted to others, and to do otherwise would be dishobour and sinful. Collin has lived a relatively more sorrowful life conpared to Gil where he really suffers a lot. The implication of that on his character likely defiens him. Yeah, knights do take pleasure to ease the pain away. To be fair to them, the demons have the power to corrupt nearly everyone, and very few could resist their temptation. Even well-adjusted individuals can do little to resist. The knights' weaknesses are exploited, yes, but they do put up more resistance than most, take our main characyers for example. I can say that the prisoner is not Ruby. I fully intend to leave her fate ambiguous. As for the undead, the Grandmaster is kinda looki g for a way to raise an army quick because he had no idea how much of the Order has been demonified at that poibt...and demons' hallucinogenic power has no effect on the dead. The coloring is mainly used to reinforce the theme. Gil's family retain their hair because it is a heritage they are proud of, and beastmen transformation is basically that, embracing their heritage to the extreme. If Gil had renounced his blood and simply allowed his father to turn him, he would become another black wolf. Instead he chosevto keep his heritage and become corrupted anyway, sifnifying that he is trily a wolf deep down regardless of superficial appearance. The demons are invaders, like virus, they percert and change things to fit their new design. The line spoken by the Necromancer King is a reference to tge fact that the Holy Dawn cannot alter someone to be something they are not. Collin's power has less restriction in that sense.
8/6/24, 11:52 PM
Uh I love the dumbing down part of this.